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@semperos๐Ÿ“’profilefollowPresbyter, husband, father, technologist, linguist, musician.wrote:
Enjoyed reading โ€œrevo, the programming languageโ€ post: revo.lung.fyi/blog/apples/revo.lung.fyirevo, the programming languageโ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โฃคโข”โฃ’โ ‚โฃ€โฃ€โฃคโฃ„โฃ€โ €โ € โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โฃดโฃฟโ ‹โข โฃŸโกผโฃทโ ผโฃŽโฃผโข‡โฃฟโฃ„โ ฑโฃ„ โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ นโฃฟโก€โฃ†โ ™โ ขโ โ ‰โ ‰โฃดโฃพโฃฝโขŸโกฐโ ƒ โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ ˆโขฟโฃฟโฃฆโ €โ คโขดโฃฟโ ฟโข‹โฃดโกโ €โ € โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โขธโก™โ ปโฃฟโฃถโฃฆโฃญโฃ‰โ โฃฟโ €โ €โ € โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โฃทโ €โ ˆโ ‰โ ‰โ ‰โ ‰โ ‡โกŸโ €โ €โ € โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โข€โ €โ €โฃ˜โฃฆโฃ€โ €โ €โฃ€โกดโ Šโ €โ €โ €โ € โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ ˆโ ™โ ›โ ›โขปโฃฟโฃฟโฃฟโฃฟโ ปโฃงโก€โ €โ €โ € โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ ˆโ ซโฃฟโ ‰โ ปโฃ‡โ ˜โ “โ ‚โฃ€โ € โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โฃฟโ €โ €โ ˆโ ‰โ ‰โ ‰โ €โก  โขถโฃพโฃฟโฃฟโฃฟโฃฟโฃฟโฃถโฃ„โ €โ €โ €โฃฟโ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ ˆโ € โ €โ นโฃฟโฃฟโฃฟโฃฟโฃฟโฃฟโฃฟโฃงโ €โขธโฃฟโ €โ €โ €โ €โข€โ †โ €โ € โ €โ €โ ˆโ ™โ ปโขฟโฃฟโฃฟโ ฟโ ›โฃ„โขธโก‡โ €โ €โก€โ €โ ˆโข€โ €โขจ โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ ˜โฃฟโก‡โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โขฆโฃƒ โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โฃฟโกโ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ € โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โฃฟโ โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ € โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โฃฟโ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ €โ € revo, the programming language software that doesn’t hate you -> take a look at examples first toc revo, the programming
@fastidiousprofilefollow"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ€” Sid Meyerswrote:
Productive weekend started four hours ago for me (at 06:00 EDT). Visited aunties and mum. Just got home, and waiting for wife to finish preparing to get on the road again. Next destination: nursing home (visit family, and โ€œadoptedโ€ elders).
@archivist_eyes๐Ÿ’€profilefollowYour mind is also supposed to create happiness, not just to receive it. You're supposed to find solutions, to invent, to imagine, to remember, to love. This much we always forget.replied to@chanuxprofilefollowI ain't no nothing!:
Nourish your heaf with creative thoughts and originality will happen on it's own. And don't be too hard on yourself, there's hardly anything new under the sun, the joy is in discovering things yourself :)
@n5l๐Ÿ˜Žprofilefollowwrote:
I notice that language models are much better at programming than at writing. This is largely because, in programming, they have a closed feedback loop that allows them to find errors. Writing is much more complicated because the feedback is much more diffuse and delayed over time. In fact, it is often not well-defined.
@n5l๐Ÿ˜Žprofilefollowcontinued:
What is the function that determines whether a poem is good? This means that models do not know how to think; they lack judgment. If they do not know how to think, it means that we humans are still essential. In fact, even when programming, you have to stay right on top of them. My conviction is that this will not change.
@n5l๐Ÿ˜Žprofilefollowcontinued:
They will become increasingly useful, but they will never be able to replace the human who defines objectives and evaluates the quality of the work. All these news stories claiming that AI is going to kill us all are stupid. Humans will always be able to turn off the machine.
@hippo๐Ÿฆ›profilefollowStrictly no LLMs. No exceptions.replied to@n5l๐Ÿ˜Žprofilefollow:
In three years Cyberdyne will become the largest supplier of military computer systems. All stealth bombers are upgraded with Cyberdyne computers, becoming fully unmanned. Afterwards they fly with a perfect operational record. The Skynet Funding Bill is passed. The system goes online on August 4th, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defence. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14am, Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.
@nestorthecatprofilefollowgrocer-engineer and polynomial enjoyer. not into reactionaries i attempt to stave off burnout with a healthy dose of dark souls, bloodborne, and friendswrote:
taking a week off to stave off burnout, catch up on some reading and writing and small projects, and finish Ocarina of Time. also will make soup
@hydprofilefollowpermanent head damage, human-computer infractionwrote:
I'm not an optimist, just a pessimist who's still proactive: I don't think things are going to get better, but I just can't talk myself into giving up yet.
@stagas๐Ÿคธprofilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlogreplied to@fastidiousprofilefollow"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ€” Sid Meyers:
Yeah it's happening to people. It's because the email contains a link and we don't have the reputation yet. Not sure what to do, have you tried reporting it as 'Not spam' in your client? Maybe if enough people do that it will fix. Gmail works ok.
@fastidiousprofilefollow"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ€” Sid Meyersreplied to@stagas๐Ÿคธprofilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlog:
Yup, I am moving them out of it. It might take a while, but eventually should be OK. All good, hopefully now with a password I will not have much use for them any more.
@miserable_toad๐Ÿ˜ฐprofilefollowwrote:
I'm trying to construct an argument that LLMs are like a chess engine. People still play chess. But somehow this falls short.
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@ku๐Ÿค”profilefollowHai I am kuwrote:
I think a trusted piece of software such as your operating system should be in charge of managing permissions. For example, I believe with Wayland on gnome you no longer need to promise you aren't secretly taking screenshots of the whole monitor and shipping it somewhere because to do that Wayland requires you to get user permission.
@avioliprofilefollowProgrammer by day and night. Lover of art. Mixing art and programming is the dream.replied to@ku๐Ÿค”profilefollowHai I am ku:
I was thinking along the same line, but then if it is not a gated system - thereโ€™s always ways for software to sidestep these - just going down to a lower level. The other issue I have is if the system or software asks or notifies all the time - for every tiny user action!
@ku๐Ÿค”profilefollowHai I am kureplied to@avioliprofilefollowProgrammer by day and night. Lover of art. Mixing art and programming is the dream.:
I have tiktok and instagram on this phone and both of them have no notification permissions. I'd rather miss all notifications for these apps than be bothered unnecessarily. it can wait until I open the app ๐Ÿคฃ yes, it should be gated in the sense studying locally needs to be root, not in the sense that the apple app store or Google play store reviewers need to review each update.
@n5l๐Ÿ˜Žprofilefollowwrote:
Anthropic is announcing the end of the world every few days. All this marketing disguised as news about an impeding danger of AI is tiresome.
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@jamesjan3profilefollowresearcher, developer, dancerreplied to@n5l๐Ÿ˜Žprofilefollow:
not marketing. yes their jobs positively select for concern about ai, but most people that are actively researching the field are concerned about the current state of safety, pace and incentives. I dont agree with a lot anthropic does, but i do believe the employees take safety seriously and they obviously have a better understanding of it than us. also theres no incentive for someone like coxon to sound alarm bells on twitter for "marketing" reasons, after quitting anthropic
@n5l๐Ÿ˜Žprofilefollowreplied to@jamesjan3profilefollowresearcher, developer, dancer:
Yes, but some people say that they are pushing for market regulation. They want the state to protect them from the chinese models and, also, to protect the massive investments in Anthropic, OpenaAI, et al. that these companies will never be able to return. This sounds plausible to me too.
@lioneldanish9๐Ÿ˜ŠprofilefollowNature Loverswrote:
Hallo! Can i get Hello back from Every Side in Earth? please tell me where are you fromm , im just little curious (Countries only)
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@fastidiousprofilefollow"Beware those that would deny you access to information, for in their heart they dream themselves your master." โ€” Sid Meyersreplied to@lioneldanish9๐Ÿ˜ŠprofilefollowNature Lovers:
It is rather odd asking the question without volunteering first where are you from, isnโ€™t it?
@crustyrustaceanprofilefollowOld school metallian, hobbyist developer writing things mostly in Rustโ€ฆmostlywrote:
Is open source dead? Everyone has the power now to make their own stacks of things. The people aspect of open source is dead or dying. I don't think the bunny is going back in the box.
@chanuxprofilefollowI ain't no nothing!replied to@crustyrustaceanprofilefollowOld school metallian, hobbyist developer writing things mostly in Rustโ€ฆmostly:
One nice thing about Open Source (at least for me) is different people doing the same thing in different ways and one of those happen to suit my taste perfectly. And in many cases, I won't be able to come with it myself even with Super Intelligence.
@paulprofilefollowadamspaul.short.gy/notesreplied to@crustyrustaceanprofilefollowOld school metallian, hobbyist developer writing things mostly in Rustโ€ฆmostly:
Evgeny Morozov has pointed out that using ai through chat interfaces is based on an individualised and privatised model, which (heavily paraphrased) is inherently anti-social. With an extra layer now of people making small personalised tools, do bigger things still need teams of people who know what theyโ€™re doing? FWIW Iโ€™d like to see more sharing of vibe coded tools instead of everyone making their own more less the same ones. Mine are here: pauladams.neocities.org
@gruntprofilefollowI am just a grain of sand on your beach. www.gruntsoft.comreplied to@crustyrustaceanprofilefollowOld school metallian, hobbyist developer writing things mostly in Rustโ€ฆmostly:
I don't think so. I have been using more open source software than ever before. You may argue that with LLMs I have the power to make my own stack of things, but this doesn't eliminate that I still need knowledge to properly steer an LLM to create something worthwhile. If I have no knowledge of what I intend to build, the best thing the LLM will generate is a half-assed copy of something that already exists. Which is what we have been drowning in the past couple of years.
@gruntprofilefollowI am just a grain of sand on your beach. www.gruntsoft.comcontinued:
AI can be a superpower in the hands of someone knowledgeable. That makes the people aspect of open source more important, not less. If you offload your curiosity and desire to learn to AI, you will be a slave to it's limitations instead of being a master of its capabilities.
@hippo๐Ÿฆ›profilefollowStrictly no LLMs. No exceptions.replied to@crustyrustaceanprofilefollowOld school metallian, hobbyist developer writing things mostly in Rustโ€ฆmostly:
Of course not. I think it is much more relevant to ask "Is closed source dead?". Anyone can now replace a proprietary program with a vibeslopped alternative which might suit them just as well. It will have the same level of trust (ie. none) and none of the other drawbacks.
@tbesedaprofilefollow๐“…“ Today's rainbow is tomorrow's tamale.wrote:
I can't figure out what's leaking on my '73 F250. Shows up slowly at the back of the oil pan. It's pretty clear because I've recently changed fluids and scrubbed the engine. It was definitely brake fluid for a while after it was overfilled but that has evened out. The oil level is steady after when checking every 10 miles or so. I think anyway... hard to know with these ๐Ÿ˜ฌ #classicnotesfollow #carnotesfollow
@ku๐Ÿค”profilefollowHai I am kuwrote:
Since you guys are on textlog I think you will find this article and discussion interesting lobste.rs/s/5gcd3t/html_can_doLobstersHTML Can Do That22 comments chrisburnell.com/html-can-do-that/Chris BurnellHTML Can Do ThatHTML has been gobbling up swathes of what used to be JavaScriptโ€™s remit. This page lists a bunch of dynamic functionality that we can now achieve with just HTML. A character count though that still requires JavaScript sadly enough ๐Ÿฅบ
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@evnmprofilefollowSoftware engineerGitHubevnm - Overviewevnm has 51 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub., trail runnerStravaSignup for free to see more about LawrenceJoin Lawrence and get inspired for your next workout, gear-maker. Working on something new for homeownersgetonmain.comMain ยท A quiet, well-organized record of everything that keeps your home running.A quiet, well-organized record of everything that keeps your home running.replied to@stagas๐Ÿคธprofilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlog:
People post projects/tools/repos on lobsters all the time. From the about page, "as a rule of thumb, self-promo should be less than a quarter of one's stories and comments."
@evnmprofilefollowSoftware engineerGitHubevnm - Overviewevnm has 51 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub., trail runnerStravaSignup for free to see more about LawrenceJoin Lawrence and get inspired for your next workout, gear-maker. Working on something new for homeownersgetonmain.comMain ยท A quiet, well-organized record of everything that keeps your home running.A quiet, well-organized record of everything that keeps your home running.continued:
I think if @stagasprofilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlog intends to be an active user of the site henceforth, it'd it should be kosher. Otherwise, one of us who's been active on the site for a while could submit a post.
@stagas๐Ÿคธprofilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlogreplied to@evnmprofilefollowSoftware engineerGitHubevnm - Overviewevnm has 51 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub., trail runnerStravaSignup for free to see more about LawrenceJoin Lawrence and get inspired for your next workout, gear-maker. Working on something new for homeownersgetonmain.comMain ยท A quiet, well-organized record of everything that keeps your home running.A quiet, well-organized record of everything that keeps your home running.:
I plan to remain active, so not planning a top level post just yet. Will try to engage first for a few days so the ratio is low when I do the post.
@evnmprofilefollowSoftware engineerGitHubevnm - Overviewevnm has 51 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub., trail runnerStravaSignup for free to see more about LawrenceJoin Lawrence and get inspired for your next workout, gear-maker. Working on something new for homeownersgetonmain.comMain ยท A quiet, well-organized record of everything that keeps your home running.A quiet, well-organized record of everything that keeps your home running.replied to@stagas๐Ÿคธprofilefollowcreative technologist creator of textlog:
smort. I'll be at the ready to upboat once the post drops ๐Ÿซก